 | Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
Number of Replies: 36
Last Post: 3/3/2009 |
| | EDH question | Hey I have a couple of (probably dumb) questions for EDH experts out there. I can't use Akki Lavarunner because he is not legendary until he flips right? Also the general starts out of play and the first time you play him you have to pay his mana cost correct? Then if he leaves play he costs 2 extra colorless each time to play him right?
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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 | Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| I personally don't know about the Lavarunner, but I would guess No.
Yes general starts out of play and you do pay his mana cost.
And, It is increased 2 colorless mana each time you play him. So if he dies 5 times it is 10 extra mana.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| Oh and do we really start at 40 life? That seems like it is designed more for multiplayer or free for all type of games and since we will playing one on one wouldn't 30 or less make more sense? And the games are still best of 3 with no sideboards allowed right??
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| I may have been wrong on my original Rant about highlander matches being 3 games. I still have yet to read an actual "1 game only" rule, and the comments about sideboarding taking to long still leads me to believe that there should be more than 1 game. However others I have talked to have said only 1 game.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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 | Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~geduggan/EDH_rules.html
Clicky
You MAY remove it from play when it leaves play
and yes 40 life
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| and I imagine the 40 life is because of the always available "general" and the deck being built around that guy presumable maximizing the generals abilities / damage.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| I think the official Highlander rules are best of three but absolutely no sideboards allowed. I do see a problem if both players start at 40 life in EDH and it is best of 3 because I think you will have a bunch of matches go to the time limit if it is only 50 minutes.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Tim Scott
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| So, if my general dies and I DON'T remove him but get him back in my hand (EX> Raise Dead) does he still cost 2 more?
Also what happens to Birds of Paradise if my general is not 5-color?
Evil will always triump because good is dumb. |
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| Without the 40 life, guys like Rafiq can end the game on turn 3 or so.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| How can Rafiq end the game on turn 3 if he doesn't start in play? You still have to pay the mana cost of the general to get him in play right?
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| There is a article about EDH on MTG Salvation and here is one quote from it:"Generally speaking, EDH is a pretty slow format. Obviously, it’s possible for someone’s deck to get the nuts draw and do something silly early in the game, but it’s not an overly common occurrence. Depending on your General, you may want to play a lot of creatures, or perhaps rely more on spells; either way is fine. However, aside from mana acceleration, there aren’t too many creatures or spells played in the first couple of turns in the average game, so you can afford to lean heavily upon developing your deck to prepare for the late game, where you’ll be dropping powerful spells and creatures that are a bit high on the mana curve, which usually means 6cc or higher. In such a format, card advantage is actually more important than it is in a typical Constructed format, so you must build your deck with that in mind, making sure your spells will allow you to gain some sort of advantage when you play them." I guess 40 life is ok but I think we will try 60 minute time limits for this format.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| Hey timmy read the rules I posted in this thread.
Birds can only produce one mana of the color(s) your general is, or one colorless if your general does'nt have all 5 colors
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Matthew Ratz
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| "You MAY remove it from play when it leaves play"
this is just a typo kind of thing. The may doesn't really apply. There is a replacement effect that removes you general from the game. There is no May about it. If your general is killed (wrath, swords, lightning bolt, Anything) he moves to the removed from game zone.
So no, you can't raise dead, you can't zombify. The general is like darksteel collosus only instead of shuffling him in, he is removed.
Playing to Win is Playing for Fun - Matthew Ratz |
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 | Date Posted: 2/25/2009
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| Not necessarily, Matt. When your general would be put into your graveyard, you have 2 options. You can choose to remove your general from the game if he/she would be put into your graveyard from play. If you do so, it acts like a replacement effect and never hits the g-yard. The other option is to leave your general in the graveyard. If you do this, you won't be able to bring it back unless you reanimate it or return it to your hand. So, yes you can reanimate your general. |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Tim Scott
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| The rules did say you can leave the general in the graveyard I just want to know that if you do that and get him back in your hand if he cost two more since you are not playing hin from out of game.
Also Ian the way I read it(correct me if I am wrong) but birds in a deck with,say, Doran would still be able to make green,white, or black just not blue or red.
Evil will always triump because good is dumb. |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| A deck may not generate mana outside its colours; anything which would generate mana of an illegal colour generates colourless mana instead. I think Tim this includes Birds with Doran as your general because the Birds can produce mana outside the general's colors. And I always figured that the general could be put into the graveyard if you want it there and I assume you can raise dead it to your hand but I think you will have to keep track of how many times it dies and pay 2 colorless more each time you play it thereafter. How does Haakon work in this format? I'm assume not very well because in Highlander I couldn't find enough black knights to put in a deck.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| Your correct Tim
Rule #3. A deck may not generate mana outside its colours; anything which would generate mana of an illegal colour generates colourless mana instead.
A little Hiccup on my end
Basicly this means, If your General is doran that you can never have blue or red mana in your mana pool. Anything that would produce blue or red mana produces colorless mana instead.
So in this situation you still have five options when you tap birds
1.Generate: 1 black mana
2.Generate: 1 white mana
3.Generate: 1 green mana
4.Generate: 1 colorless mana
5.Generate: 1 colorless mana
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| Really? See I read that to say anything that would as anything that could and I figured since Birds could produce blue and red then it would produce colorless period. But you guys have played this format and I have not so I will go with whatever the majority says.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| You don't keep track of how many times its destroyed but how many times you have played it from the "Removed from game zone"
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| Yep I get that but if you want the general in your graveyard for some reason then you can put it there right? And if yes then you still need to keep track of when it left play if you prefer so you will still have to pay 2 colorless more each subsequent time playing him(if you are able to raise dead or whatever).
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| If you use the ability to tap for let us say green, it would resolve as normal. then if you would tap it for red mana it resolves as colorless mana
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| Yes you can choose to keep the general in the graveyard.
The only time the additional cost has to be payed is when you play him from the removed from game zone after the first time.
and every time you play him the cost up by 2 colorless
So the first time you play him from the removed from games zone it is the normal cost.
2nd +2
3rd +4
4th +6
and so on
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Ian Gephart
Member Since: 11/21/2008
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| Edit: and every time you play him in this way the cost up by 2 colorless
You put what,where?-Alyx Vance |
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| Date Posted: 2/26/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| Ok I understand.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| The Birds of Paradise are fine with Progenitus though.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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 | Date Posted: 2/28/2009
Posted By: Jeremy Banks
Member Since: 5/3/2008
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| Haakon is near impossible general because........DRUMROLL....... He can only be played from your graveyard!!!!!!!! Being that he starts in the removed from game zone, you would have to jump through hoops to get him in the graveyard.
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.” - Ratadrabik of Urborg |
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| Date Posted: 2/28/2009
Posted By: Jeremy Banks
Member Since: 5/3/2008
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| This may have been answered elsewhere, but are we doing the 21 point damage rule with the general?
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.” - Ratadrabik of Urborg |
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| Date Posted: 2/28/2009
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| Haakon would suck along with Memnarch and Bosh, Iron Golem. |
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| Date Posted: 2/28/2009
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
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| I figured we would do the 21 combat damage points with the general yes, it's kind of like keeping track of poison counters so I see no problem with that.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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 | Date Posted: 3/1/2009
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| I dont see how progenitus isnt broken. Can someone explain that?
"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina. |
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| I kind of thought you still had to pay the actual mana cost of your general, so the Progenitus would be at best turn 10 before you could cast it if you somehow had the land out to do so.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 3/1/2009
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| Ahh, I assumed you paid 2 the first time and then more and more in succsession. Thanks.
"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina. |
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| Oh he would definately be broken if that was the case! No I believe you just pay the general's actual mana cost the first time and then it is it's mana cost + 2 colorless each time thereafter but someone correct me if I am wrong about that.
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 3/1/2009
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| You're right, Martin. |
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| Date Posted: 3/2/2009
Posted By: Tim Scott
Member Since: 4/9/2008
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| I take back Rafiq anfd restake my claim to progenitus.
Evil will always triump because good is dumb. |
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| Just one more clarification, if I pick Zo-Zu the Punisher as my general I can't play Giant Solifuge in my deck because although he is a red creature he is also a green creature right? So basically it would have to be mono-red spells and creatures right, no hybrids?
Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly! |
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| Date Posted: 3/3/2009
Posted By: Penny Dude
Member Since: 5/1/2008
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| Correct. |
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