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Date Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
Number of Replies: 28
Last Post: 10/28/2010
Horse players
         http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/20323_Ideas_Unbound_The_Survival_of_the_Fittest_Problem_And_How_to_Fight_It.html
        
        
        Two players who have played at Hobby Horse are mentioned in an article on Star City today


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: Tony Krohnvichtiger
Member Since: 5/5/2008
         Those bastards misspelled your name.


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Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         I enjoy how I was also refered to as "The Enemy"
        


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Date Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         It was amazing how, if you read the coverage of your first top 8 match, it almost seemed as if the writer wanted your opponent to win.


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Date Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         And how to fight your deck? extirpate seems like the obvious choice. If they extirpate your vines, how would you win? bashing with mongrel and aquamobea seem like a suboptimal win condition to me. I must say, however, that I love the mindharness and the ratchetbombs in your board.


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/21/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         Rule #1: Against black, hardcasting is your secret tech. And Bill Stark was riding that guys dick all day about his combo.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Date Posted: 10/22/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         Did you see the newest magicshow? Amazing. Let me start off by saying that I have always been critical of legacy, as you all well know. But I think that evin erwin takes his critisisum a little bit to far in his newest magic show. Just in case you guys missed it, erwin calls for the banning of survival of the fittest. REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Legacy has 3 combo decks that can god-hand kill you on turn #1, and he is worried about attacking with multiple vengevines!!?? I mean seriously, the deck that zack played is good, but it is far from unbeatable. Every color has outs to the deck! White can path/swords/humility . Blue can counter survival or bounce the vines as they all attack. Black can doomblade 1 vine and then extirpate, or thoughtseize an early survival. A red burn deck can kill you by turn 3-4 with a torrent of burn, and zack survived the mirror all day with green/blue. Both tormods crypt and relic can slow the deck down, while pithing needle can shut off survival entirely. My point in all of this is I think that survival is a good card, but not ban worthy. what do you guys think?


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/22/2010
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
         I agree with you on everything, Mike.


Pwn'd.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/22/2010
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
         If 60% of the decks start showing up with Survival in them then I say ban it, oh and Pithing Needle does shut it down but the deck runs 3 Trygon Predators maindeck so you still have to deal with those.


Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly!


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/22/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         I don't think it should be banned, but I can see it happening. Look at Mystical Tutor. It wasn't near as used as survival, but it was banned.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Date Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         Maybe banning mystical tutor wasnt a good move. I however, HATE COMBO, so I approved. And the solutions that I mentioned above are not perfect, but I say that is good. I like formats with good, but not broken, decks. I personally love that survival is so strong. You dont have to drop $150 - $ 200 dollars in a deck to effectively fight that deck.


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Date Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         And at ben. Last that I heard, you had moved to west frankford. Is that true?


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Date Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         And I agree with you, zack, about wizards stupid use of the ban hammer. Just look at when they banned divining top in extended. That had nothing to do with a power issue. That was merely a time saving move. And the majority of us remember mirrodin block. Wizards waits a full year after mirrodin block season was over, after the format was largely irrelevant, to ban the artifact lands and ravager. Look at standard at the time. During onslaught - mirrodin standard skullclamp was banned. Rightfully so. But after onslaught was rotated and replaced by kamigawa, everyone cried about affinity being " broken ", and wizards over-reacted AGIAN and banned 8 cards from standard! I agree at the time that disiple of the vault should have joined skullclamp, and MAYBE ravager as well, but all of the artifact lands as well??? Way to over react wizards! But lets look at more recent examples. Jund and faeries. Both of these decks were VERY dominant during their time in standard, with jund having more impressive numbers and wins during its time in standard that affinity. And faeries was ABSOLUTLY HORRIBLE to play aginst. But were was the ban hammer there? Survival has been dominant for, if I am correct, about 3 months? Legacy has many ways to fight ANY deck, the format will adjust to the presense of survival. And even you, zack, with as much as you like the survival deck, said in your report that you did not look forward to the storm match.


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
         Yup, I live in West Frankfort now. Why do you ask?


Pwn'd.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: Christian Collodi
Member Since: 5/5/2008
         Two large tournaments aren't enough to justify banning a card. A deck needs to dominate for at least 6 months or so before any bannings should be considered. Printing a card in the next set to hose an overpowered card is always preferable to banning.


The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: Josh Hendricks
Member Since: 8/7/2008
         Leonin Arbiter seems good against Survival.


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Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: Christian Collodi
Member Since: 5/5/2008
         Pithing Needle is also pretty good.


The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. - Friedrich Nietzsche


Date Posted: 10/23/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         Just curious, ben. zack said that you were a part of team tittyfart or feet or fat? I was just wondering how if you lived so far away. ( I love making fun of that name..... goodtimes )!


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/24/2010
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
         I am always with Team Tittyfeet in spirit.


Pwn'd.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/24/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         he and evan are the inactive members that drew and bobby were brought on for. originally had 4 members


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Date Posted: 10/24/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         Who out of the six of you collects cards? Last that I knew, zack borrowed all of his decks, steve was angry about the costs of mythics, ben was getting out of magic and probably selling his collection, and evan had said that he was cutting back on collecting cards and playing. Maybe things have changed ( I havent seen any of you in about a year or so ), but how do you guys get the cards for building your decks? And ben, do you ever think that you will get back into the game? Just curious, but it seems like most of the people that I knew from the horse dont even play regularly anymore.


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/25/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         Steve has enough, Evan gave me some cards, and I get my decks from pretty much anyone. And Drew has a fair sized collection.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/25/2010
Posted By: Martin Stanley
Member Since: 2/29/2008
         Zack is also starting a small collection of his own, he has mostly Standard cards I think but he is trying to get cards.


Terry Hoitz: I'm like a peacock, you gotta let me fly!


Date Posted: 10/25/2010
Posted By: The Mike Dale
Member Since: 5/31/2009
         Hey zack, do you miss those goyfs?? I dont know whats worse - you selling them in the first place or myself winning all four of them in a draft, selling them for $15 each, and then watching the goyfs shoot up to about $85 each!


" We are 5 days away from fundamentaly transforming the united states of america " - Barrack Obama


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/26/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         lol, goyf topped at 50. And I sold them for the entire deck I dominated with for awhile. And I have Evans.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/26/2010
Posted By: Ben Warren
Member Since: 3/18/2008
         I will get back into Magic whenever I can afford it again. As of right now, I'm broke as fuck. School without a job does that to you.


Pwn'd.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/28/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/114
        
         Another article about survival in legacy.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/28/2010
Posted By: Tony Krohnvichtiger
Member Since: 5/5/2008
         So are you going to put those Brainstorms in your deck, now that Mike "I know everything" Flores says that it would be better to?


"True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written; in writing what deserves to be read." - Pliny the Elder


Change AvatarDate Posted: 10/28/2010
Posted By: Zack Strait
Member Since: 4/9/2008
         Lol, brainstorm in that deck is bad. There is a reason its not in there.


"The shit look like ya hand when you be doin a shadow puppet for a duck n shit nahmean. Shit be lookin like it jus caught a pop fly in center field n whatever whatever nahmean." re: Ghostface Killa on lil' kim's vagina.


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